A historic day for Macedonia, a bitter defeat for Greece. That is how Macedonian media reported euphorically about the judgement of the International Court of Justice in the Hague from December 5, stipulating that Greece has breached the 1995 interim agreement with Skopje by blocking the country's admission to NATO at the summit of the alliance in April 2008.
With 15 votes "for" and only one "against" the court concluded that Greece had violated article 11, paragraph 1 from the arrangement, that says that the country agrees not to object Skopje's admission to international or regional organisations and institutions whose member it is. Greece has reserved the right, though, to object to any membership of Skopje if the country is to be referred under a name different than Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
Athens and Skopje are at loggerheads over the name of Macedonia for two decades. Greece believes that Macedonia's constitutional name implies territorial pretences to its northern province with the same name.
Macedonian President Gjorge Ivanov called on Greeks to comply with the court's ruling that was final and mandatory for all UN members. "At this moment we don't want to think in categories winners and losers. We should work together with Greece for the sake of our common future and the future of the region. We are reaching out to Greece in the name of good neighbourly relations and friendship. We consider this ruling a positive impetus," he said.
Greece, on its part, said that it would study the court's ruling and added that the two sides would continue searching for a solution to the dispute. Greek Prime Minister Lucas Papademos said that Greece was committed to good neighbourly relations with Skopje but was also calling for finding a mutually acceptable solution.
The ruling of the court in The Hague could have a moral value and make Macedonians feel like winners but actually it does not oblige third parties, like NATO or the EU, to give a green light to Macedonian membership application. A compromise and more flexibility between the two sides are needed in order to find a solution to the problem.
As pointed out in an editorial in the Dnevnik daily from December 6, the ruling is not "a ticket for immediate entry to NATO" and Macedonia needs to focus on the strategy - what after The Hague. Utrinski Vesnik daily added: "The ruling, that has a big legal and moral weight, should not be used to gain political points at domestic level and straining further the relations with Greece".
A similar view was shared by EP Rapporteur on Macedonia Richard Howitt, who told Deutsche Welle that the ICJ's ruling should give new impetus to the talks and lead eventually to a mutually acceptable solution. The European Commission said it would take note of the ruling but declined to comment. Macedonia is still hoping to get a green-light for opening of its EU accession talks at the EU summit on December 8 and 9 and not just another confirmation of the recommendation.
In the October 12 progress report on Macedonia the Commission said that the country continued to meet political criteria and was ready to start accession talks.
The document urges for more efforts in order to guarantee effective implementation of judicial and administrative reform, fight against corruption and freedom of expression in the media. Dialogue between the government and the opposition needs to be strengthened in order to ensure the smooth functioning of institutions and to allow Parliament to play its full role, the report reads.
The European Commission did not miss to note that the name dispute was affecting the relations between the two neighbours and recalled Skopje's decision to erect a monument resembling Alexander the Great, which was slammed as provocation by Athens. "Actions and statements, which could adversely affect good neighbourly relations should be avoided," the Commission recommended.
Macedonia was granted a recommendation to start membership talks in 2009 but the name dispute is still impending over its European and Euro-Atlantic ambitions. One should not forget that the decisions at the EU leaders' summit require consensus and that good neighbourly relations are among the criteria which fulfilling could bring positive outcome for Macedonia.
FYRoM E1b1b - 21.50.........Greece E1b1b - 21.00
FYRoM J2 - 14.00.........Greece J2 - 23.00
FYRoM Total = 35.50%........Greece Total = 44.00%
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Supposedly Slavic Hg
FYRoM R1a - 13.50.........Greece R1a - 11.50
FYRoM I2a - 23.00.........Greece I2a - 9.50
FYRoM Total = 36.50%........Greece Total = 30.00%
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Supposedly Cauasian Greco-Anatolian, Celtic Hg
FYRoM G2a - 4.00.........Greece G2a - 6.50
FYRoM R1b - 12.00.........Greece R1b - 15.50
FYRoM Total = 16%..........Greece Total = 22.00%
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Supposedly Nordic, Celto-Germanic Hg
FYRoM I1 - 3.00..........Greece I1 - 3.50
FYRoM I2b - 1.50..........Greece I2b - 1.50
FYRoM Total = 4.50%.........Greece Total = 5.00%
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Supposedly Caucasian Mesopotamian Semetic Hg
FYRoM J1 - 2.00..........Greece J1 - 3.00
FYRoM T - 1.50..........Greece T - 4.50
FYRoM Total = 3.50%.........Greece Total = 7.00%
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Supposedly Mongol-Turkic, Ural-Finnic, Baltic Hg
FYRoM Q - 0.50..........Greece Q - 0.00
FYRoM N - 0.50..........Greece N - 0.00
FYRoM Total = 1.00..........Greece Total = 0.00%
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Apparently, Slavs did leave their mark on the natives...but only just!
From since the Centum Hellenic-language split away from the hypthesized PIE language tree to form a Hellenic branch of it's own...Greek-speakers developed a culture and a way of life so dominant and so resiliant, Hellenism became the culture of choice for the peoples of the Haemus peninsula and beyond.
Macedonians played a big part in spreading that language and that culture to the farthest reaches of then known ancient world. The Macedonian name belongs in the Greek domain and Macedonian Identity belongs to Greek heritage.
Macedonians have been Waking and Talking like Greeks from since the days of King Karanus 778-808 BC.
WE GREEK! WE GREEK! NO MACEDONIAN!! NO MACEDONIAN!!! WE GREEK!! ONLY GREEK! WHA DIS MACEDONIA??? WHA DIS MACEDONIA??? WHA?? WHAAA??? WE NO LEARN MACEDONIA IN DE SCHOOL!! ONLY GREEK!! PAPOU GREEK! YIAYIA GREEK! PATERA GREEK! MITERA GREEK! ONLY GREEK!!! JUST GREEK!!! NO SUCH TING DIS MACEDONIA ONLY GREECE!! AT HOME WE SPEAK ARVANITIKA BUT OUTSIDE WE SPEAK GREEK!! ONLY GREEK!!! WE REAL GREEK NO MACEDONIAN!! YIAYIA SAY SHE NO HEAR MACEDONIA IN DE VILLAGE!!! NO HEAR IN SCHOOL!!! WHA DIS MACEDONIA?? WHA?? WHAAAA???
The mainstream version, the common Western one, teaches us, Macedonians were from North-Dorian Hellenic stock. Alexander the Great expanded Hellenism, the culture of the Greeks...he took Greek-wisdom, Greek-knowledge, the Greek-language and the Hellenic-culture eastwards to the far reaches of the then known ancient world.
The FYRoM version, the revisionist pseudo-historical one, teaches young Southern-Slavic children to see the Macedonians as a Proto-Slavic peoples, their ancestors...where Alexander the Great becomes Aleksandar Veliki the firzt Czar of the Slavs.
History cannot be altered simply by rewriting it. There is only one version of the Macedonian story, and the Western mainstream cultural-historical narrative reflects that perfectly.
FYRoM is not the Macedonia it wants to be...geographically, FYRoM sits on ancient-Paeonian lands south of Skopje and ancient-Dardanian lands north from it.
FYRoM's Slavic-speaking peoples cannot be Macedonians in the Greek sense of that word...they can be regional-Macedonians only. The latin-Romans applied the Macedonian name to an extended administrative district they labelled Macedonia Secunda Salutaris - the description in latin is self explanatory. The Romans used Macedonia-Prima for the original Greek Kingdom of Macedon and Macedonia II Salutaris for the enlarged administrative district covering Paeonia and Dardania.
FYRoM is not Macedonia and the peoples there speak Slavic - Do the Math!
Macedonians have always been Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples...those who do not know that, do not know history!
I say again - History cannot support two different versions of the Macedonia story!
Macedonia enters the Western Worlds Cultural Historical Narrative as a Northern-Greek Kingdom...peopled by Greek-speaking Dorians. The long established mainstream historical record cannot be revised or rewritten to accomodate the fantasies of FYRoM.
The FYRoM version of the Macedonia story is seen for what it is - Pseudo-historical Silliness! History cannot support the FYRoM version of the Macedonia story...classicist historian scholars wont permit it!
The Onus is on FYRoM to compromise, to find a proper more suitable name for sovereign state-name, nationality, language and ethnicity. FYRoM covets the Macedonian name for all of the above!
The sooner it is made clear to FYRoM that the Macedonian name is too closely related to Greeks and Hellenism for them to stake claim to it's identity, history and heritage...the sooner the name dispute might conclude - definitively!
The sooner all these things are made clear...the sooner FYRoM could fulfill it's aspirations to join the Western Worlds most prestigious economic and security structures of the EU and NATO.
...All Greek!
If a Macedonian spoke Slavic the way the Bulgarians speak it, and then called it Macedonian-language...the Greeks would disown that Macedonian!
If a Slavic-speaking Macedonian espoused ethnic-feelings and collective memories for ancient Proto-Slavic Macedonians...the Greeks would disown that Macedonian.
If a Satem Slavic-speaking Macedonian claims Alexander the Great for his ancestor and then proclaims him the first Czar of the Slavs...the Greeks would disown that Macedonian.
If a Macedonian imagines ancient-Macedonians as Proto-Slavic peoples...the Greeks would disown that Macedonian.
If a Slavic-speaking Macedonian was found to be spreading pseudo-historical propaganda and badmouthing Greeks Greece and Hellenism...the Greeks would consider that Slavic-speaking Macedonian an enemy of the Greeks Greece and Hellenism.
If an E1b1b J2 Slavic-speaking Macedonian promotes foreign causes above the Hellenic ones...the Greeks would consider that Macedonian untrustworthy and disloyal.
If a Slavic-speaking Macedonian sees Greeks as the enemy and believes Macedonia should be torn away from Hellenism...the Greeks would put that Slavic-speaking Macedonian down.
Macedonians have always been Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples...a regional historical people-group of ethnic-Greek stock.
Macedonians - Defenders of Hellenism. Protectors of Greece. Come Hell or High Water!
TODAY GREEKS NOT REAL GREEKS CUZ THEY ARVANIT VLAHIKES TURKOGLU AND SLOVEN NICE ONES.
MACEDONIANS BEEN SLOVEN NICE PEEPL FOR TOWSENDS AND TOWSENDS YEERS.
GREEKS NO MACEDONIANS. MACEDONIANS ARE SLOVEN DIFFRENT ONES FROM GRIKS
To end the name dispute conclusively, these names were proposed at the highest echelons of diplomatic office, (i) "Republic of Skopje" after the capital, Skopje, (ii) "Vardar Republic" after the regions most important river, (iii) "South Slavia" in reference to the name of former Yugoslavia, (iv) "Central Balkan Republic", the quintessential buffer-state, ethnic-central to the rest of the Balkans.
In England, the BBC refers to the peoples there as "Slav-Macedonians". In the USA, the New York Times refers to them as "Slavic Macedonians". In France, Le Monde describes them as "Macedoniens slavophones". In Spain, El Pais calls them "los eslavos". In Germany, Frankfurter Allgemeine and many other newspapers speak of "die slawischen Mazedonier".
It seems that FYRoM cannot rid itself from the "Slav" term that easily...no matter how hard they try to erase the Slavic influence in the region and on the peoples there.
FYRoM E1b1b J2 Haemus-Natives deserve to know the truth about themselves!
FYRoM Slavic-speaking E1b1b J2 Haemus-Natives lost something when they strayed away from the native host-culture into the culture of the Slavs. That connection makes them Slavic in genous and in speech. That connection distances them from the host-culture and the regional historical Macedonians they want to be.
Greeks see Macedonians as one of their own! Re-Hellenization remains the only way for FYRoM E1b1b J2 Haemus-Natives to redeem themselves. Re-Hellenization is the only way of sharing in the history and heritage of the Greeks.
Seperating Macedonians from the rest of the Greeks was a Slavist Idea that was used by some hawks in the West to subdue Greece and make Greeks conform to the new geo-strategic conditions prevailing during the Bush, Wolfovits, Pearl, Rumsfeldt era! FYRoM gained recognition as Macedonia during this historical political period...but that was then, and this is now. FYRoM now is isolated in the West!
Whilst Slavists invented the idea...to seperate Macedonians from the rest of the Greeks, they too have been isolated by intellectual Slavdom. The inteligencia distanced themselves from Makedonism, the ideology which seeks to establish Macedonians as a proto-Slavic peoples and Alexander the Great as the first Czar of the Slavs.
FYRoM is now isolated both ways - in the East and in the West! The first country in history to hold such position.
GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!
The Slavic-speaking peoples of FYRoM believe they connect to Alexander the Great and ancient-Macedonians, but how ? unless they mean through the Greco-Roman line.
Greece is the natural-heir and legitimate-inheritor of the Imperial Byzantine Empire. Modern-Greeks trace their heritage and immediate ancestors back to Imperium Romanum, Romania - the Official name of the Eastern-Roman Empire. The Byzantines traced their heritage and immediate ancestors back to ancient-Greece. Ancient-Greeks traced their heritage and immediate ancesters back to Mycaenean proto-Greeks. In this way, we can see and evaluate a cultural-linguistic continuum that links modern-Greeks back to previous generations of Greeks in somewhat fragmented but discernible fashion.
It becomes difficult to include FYRoM into this matrix-continuum...unless ofcourse, we include them in the same way we do with modern-Greeks.
FYRoM then, connects to ancient-Macedonians through the Byzantine Greco-Roman line, but this would imply they are Slavicized-Byzantines, in which case they become partially-Greek with only partial-rights to the ancient-Macedonian name, history, heritage, and legacy.
When those Slavists in FYRoM started to mess with the ancient-Macedonians, they opened-up a hornets-nest of stings that keep on stinging them...a pandoras-box full of conflicts and confusions that pit classicist-historian scholars against political-expediances. In the poltical-realm FYRoM has right and entitlement to name itself 'Republic of Macedonia' but in the academic-realm, FYRoM's national history clashes and conflicts with the long established mainstream historical narrative.
The in-fighting between the academic-realm and the political-realm has led to both taking a different approach, both realms decided to look at the problem from the moral-ethical point of view. A decision has been made...The Onus is on FYRoM to compromise, to find a proper more suitable name for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity.
Macedonia is Hellenic - from since the days of King Karanus 778-808 BC!
Macedonians have always spoken Centum-Hellenic and always subscribed to Hellenism...the culture of the Greeks. More than Three Thousand Years worth of loyalty towards Hellenism. Macedonian loyalty towards Hellenism has withstood the test of time!
Macedonians are the Greeks that continue to self-determine in the tradition of their regional historical ancestors. The Greek language and Hellenism define Macedonians from since the days of King Karanus 778-808 BC.
The measure of Macedonian loyalty towards Hellenism counts for something - calculated in Millenniums!
E1b1b J2 Slavic-speaking Haemus-Natives work hard to assign it Slavic origins.
R1a Alpha-Slavs told simple-minded E1b1b J2 Haemus-Natives that ancient-Macedonians were Proto-Slavic peoples and that Alexander the Great was the first Czar of the Slavs.
Greeks despair but we No give up...we shall continue to provide the evidence - Macedonians have been Walking and Talking like Greeks from since the days of King Karanus 778-808 BC!
WE ALL GO TO SOUP KITCHEN
FA LA LA LA LA, LA LA LA LA
NO OUZO NO RETSINA
ONLY TEA AT DEH SOUP KITCHEN
FA LA LA LA LA, LA LA LA LA
YIAYIA SICK IN DEH HOSPITAL
SHE NO GET MEDICINE
FA LA LA, FA LA LA, FA LA LA
ALL DEH DOCTORS DEY ON STRIKE
DEY GET NO PAY
FA LA LA LA LA, LA LA LA LA
EXADELFOS HE NO JOB
DEY CUT DEH HYDRO IN APARTMENT
FA LA LA LA LA, LA LA LA LA
HE NO FOOD HE NO MONEY
HE NOW GO TO SOUP KITCHEN
FA LA LA LA LA, LA LA LA LA
YOU BORN IN GREECE YOU GREEK
YOU LIVE IN GREECE YOU GREEK
FA LA LA, FA LA LA, FA LA LA
WHA DIS MACEDONIA?
WHA DIS MACEDONIA??
FA LA LA LA LA, LA LA LA LA
FYRoM proved to be the most anti-Hellenic country in the Haemus - working hard to alter the demographic history of the Haemus [Greek] peninsula in order to change an ancient and archaic Hellenic Identity into a Slavic one.
In FYRoM live E1b1b J2 Haemus-Natives who believe in Proto-Slavic origins for Macedonians - Testament to the Ideolgy R1a Alpha-Slavs taught them!
Any upstanding E1b1b J2 Haemus-Native could be Macedonian - When Re-Hellenized.
Any upstanding E1b1 J2 Slavic-speaking Haemus-Native could be Macedonian - When Re-Hellenized Willingly and Voluntarily!
The Idea that Macedonians stem from Pre-Greek Proto-Slavic peoples
is a Slavist Idea...born from the minds of some R1a Alpha-Slavs for political jurisdiction and crowd control purposes.
On what basis do E1b1b J2 Haemus-Natives become Slavic!
If Slavicization made them Slavs then Re-Hellenization can make them whole again!
The Message is Clear...Crystal Clear: Macedonia is Hellenic from since >3 Millenniums.
2014:This message shall resonate across Europe and beyond.
FYRoM aspires to join the EU and NATO - the Western Worlds most prestigious economic and security structures but shies away from carrying out their recommendations.
The general concensus amongst the UN, USA, EU and NATO is for FYRoM to compromize in the long running name dispute it has been engaged in with Greece...the onus is on FYRoM to chose a proper more suitable name for sovereign state-name, nationality, language and ethnicity.
FYRoM elected to use an ancient and archaic Greek-Hellenic name for country-name, nationality, language and ethnicity - locking horns with Greece and the international academic community over matters pertaining to historical rights and matters pertaining to cultural-heritage.
Currently, FYRoM is isolated...kept at arms length, at a distance until a decision is reached there on adopting a sovereign state-name that would see the end of this 22 year long running name dispute in a conclusive definative manner.
From since 2009...FYRoM is isolated and kept at arms length, at a distance, until a decision is reached there on the adoption of a proper more suitable name, for sovereign state-name, nationality, language and ethnity!
FYRoM elected to name itself Republic of Macedonia - Paeonia is actually the most historically correct term which best describes the geography there...where FYRoM is situated.
A conn to far - FYRoM conned it's way into the hearts and minds of the West, soliciting high level sympathy and support which almost established this small Slavic-Statelet as a Nation of Slavic-speaking Macedonians...but for Scholarly, and Academic objections.
The West now curse the day they allowed FYRoM, an anti-Western entity to conn them.
FYRoM is paying the price for that conn trick!
If FYRoM succeeded in getting this configuration legitimized:
1 - Country-Name........Macedonian
2 - Nationality.........Macedonian
3 - Ethnicity...........Macedonian
4 - Language............Macedonian
Greeks would riot. Macedonia for Greece constitutes a large part of the country's Northern geographical-territory. The Greeks would lose in an instant, one of their ancient and archaic, regional-tribal names where more than 2.5 Million Greeks self-Identify as Macedonians in the regional geographic sense.
Usually, Nationality follows country-name, whilst ethnicity follows the language-name, FYRoM fights for this. Proxy - FYRoM fights to obtain these Identity factors in order to take the name away from the Greeks.
Sinister moves. Slavist philologists gave them a language and name it Macedonian-language in 1944. Communists gave them a country and named it "Peoples Republic of Macedonia" in 1945 which became a Socialist Republic in 1946. These actions were hostile actions directed against Greece.
Looking back: Something was not right in naming a Serbo-Bulgarian language to Macedonian-language...when it is known that Macedonians are a regional-historic population group of ethnic-Greeks.
Linguists and Philologists of today are the first to admit that FYRoM's language was Misnamed to Macedonian-language for political reasons in 1944!
The Serbo-Bulgarian language that is spoken today by the Slavs of FYRoM has no ethnic relatedness to the Hellenic language that was spoken in antiquity by Alexander the Great and the ancient-Macedonians but the children - pupils -students there believe it to be one and same!
Linguists - Philologists - Demographers - Ethnogenists - Historians: All of them support Greece in it's fight to defend and protect it's National-history, heritage and cultural-inheritance from FYRoM's callous state sponsored diaspora-driven anti-Hellenic propaganda.
Macedonians were just one of many, >230 known, ancient-Greek groups, tribes and kingdoms which together collectively formed the Hellenic-Tribes from antiquity.
Macedonians exist in the same place Walking and Talking Greek-style from since the days of King Karanus 778-808 BC.
I Promise to Defend and Protect the Cultural-Heritage and Historical-Legacy of the Hellenic-Peoples.
Macedonia - The Name, The History, The Heritage, The Legacy...It's all Greek.
Protected - Come Hell or High Water!
Macedonians have always subscribed to Hellenism...the culture of the Greeks.
Macedonians have have existed in the same place as Greek-speaking Hellenic-peoples from since the times of King Karanus 778-808 BC.
Macedonians are the Greeks that continue to self-determine in the tradition of their regional historical ancestors...
...Who got face to deny them!