If one should judge about the greatness of a nation on the basis of the size of its monuments, then Macedonia is definitely a great country. A huge bronze 12 m high figure, accompanied by a 10m pedestal, is the newest Skopje's gain that has been transported from Florence and will be put up in the capital city within two weeks time. The whole composition, including the rider, the horse and a fountain, is worth some 10m euros, according to local media's calculations.
"A warrior on a horse" is the official name of this "bijou" but everybody knows that it 
is actually a monument of Alexander the Great. The authorities have invented this abstract name to avoid angering Greece again. The trick however didn't work and the Greeks, as expected, reacted immediately by accusing the Macedonians of usurpation of their history and inflaming nationalism.
Let's put aside the issue of the monument's cost and the debates whether it fits in the city's landscape. The question is who needs such a megalomania? The whole project Skopje 2014, part of which is the controversial statue, is a potential generator of disputes with Macedonia's neighbours (see the project here - the video on the left). The so-called "new face" of Skopje envisages monuments of Tzar Samuil, Sts Cyril and Methodius, Naum ...
Obviously in search of its identity or in an attempt to gain recognition of it, Macedonia feels the need to tell the world via such monuments which of the historic figures belong to it and how did they contribute to the Macedonian (and world) history.
Raising monuments in parks, gardens and squares could indeed raise the popularity of the government among ordinary people (which was confirmed by the election results) but is not contributing at all to maintaining of good neighbourly relations, which is among the criteria for EU membership.
For 20 years now Greece has been unable to swallow the constitutional name of Republic of Macedonia, seeing in it territorial claims. The name dispute not only blocks Skopje's accession to NATO but also delays the start of the talks with the EU. 
The two countries should be less concerned about this dull competition of who is more worthy and should focus instead on resolving the serious economic troubles they are facing. Macedonia is facing high unemployment rate of over 30% and outflow of FDI, while Greece is on the verge of default. Instead of participating in disputes over history, Skopje and Athens could demonstrate more flexibility and common sense and follow the example of Slovenia and Croatia that reached an agreement on their border dispute and will become soon equal partners in the EU.
Not at all!These are theories directed towards you by the “scientists”and "scholars" of your country simply for propaganda reasons.
Yousay that Greeks received words by the Macedonians without use of anyhistorical proof.
Thewhole case does not justify such an assumption as the words werecommon to all the people that inhabited the Greek peninsula (theGreeks actually – Macedonians included).
Sowho did receive by whom? Why Greeks from Macedonians as you say andnot both sharing a common language through their dialects as mostscholars worldwide claim?
Further,how is it possible that we came from Iran area and received wordsfrom Macedonians?
A prerequisiteto the above should be that the people were mixed to each other, or awar or a cultural and commercial activity took place at a very earlystage, so that we received these elements.
To say here thatthis kind of influence is always bidirectional and not from one sideonly. However this is not the case here as there are only commonwords and not words that belong to one side only that were receivedby the other.
Actuallythere is no evidence about any from the above mentioned activities (war,commerce etc) to have taken place before 800 BC, where the ancientGreek language was formed the way we know it now. This simply means thatthe words were not taken by the “Greeks” or the “Macedonians”but were used by all these people in common as I already mentioned –or if you know any different case just let us know!
Sincethe scholars world wide, have accepted the Greek language as aprimitive language, it is natural that the Macedonian language was aGreek dialect as its vocabulary shared nearly everything with therest of the other Greek dialects of the time.
Now,the Greek Nation was made up by the total of the Greek tribes(Ionians, Dorians etc) as this is attested by the answer theAthenians gave to the Spartans prior to the battle of Plataea . Fromthis we understand that they considered each other as been parts ofthe same (Greek) Nation. To note here that Macedonians were of Dorian stock.
Whatever it's not about fool and smart guys but about forge of history, according to interests, against the truth. Who's on one side and who's on the other?
Everybody’s argumentsare welcomed, provided that they do bring some facts with them. Don’tcome with empty hands like you did through your above postings.
There are two groups of ancient people under this name. The Veneti living at north of the Adriatic gulf and the Veneti living at the area of the Baltic Sea .
The first were probably people of Illyrian or Latin descent, the second are of undefined origin. (could be of Slavic, Germanic or Baltic stock).
Some Slovenian scholars claimed through a theory that the Adriatic Veneti were proto-Slavs. This theory was objected by other Slovenian and International scholars as well and is considered now as not active.
They never received any approval through any international conference, so no reason to make any fuss about it.
All these theories (like the silly one about deciphering the Rosetta stone by your Tentov-Bosefski genius ...amateurs in archaeology ) are used for propaganda reasons only by the FYROM authorities and are of no value.
"I Reject your reality and substitute my own"
<<Ants,Windisch, Phoenicians, Veneti and other peoples in the Balkan and in Europe ofthe genus of course Windisc, they're sinonymous with the Slavs. So Dimitri theWindisch or Vindi and Veneti are different tribes form slavs Windisch>>
Quite interesting information; can you provideany relative link(s) about all these?
<<Accordingto Herodotus, the ancient Greeks borrowed their alphabet from the Phoenicians,then the SE Veneti Enei or those living in northern Asia Minor. From them hassurvived to this day toponymy such as Tabor, Suez, Golan, etc. Dardanelles. InGreece and its islands is also keeping the toponymy. Here are a few place namesnajkaraterni venetski: Island of Karpathos, Rhodes Island, Lakka - Lucky, Langada,Langonikos, Longos, Accra, Rodja, Stratoniki, Stratones, Stratonision, Stratis,Stratis IBM Island and countless others, almost without exception ancientfenikijski, venetski,antski or underscore ancient Macedonian>>
What do you mean through all this?
I am sorry I don’t see what's the clue of it.
P.S. Since you speak English, please useEnglish terminology or you become hardly understandable e.g. what’s the meaningof fenikijski or venetski?
IBM Island? What do you mean by this? Where is this island? next to the AMD one?
Max Fasmer (or Vasmer) has not saidsomething new.
Regarding the Greek toponymes of Slavicorigin, this led Fallmerayer to his erroneous theory about modern Greeks derivingfrom Slavs. The theory was based mainly on the Slavic names of the Greektoponymes and a few more false information that were adopted recklessly by him(like the Pitakis’ document).
Whatever, it was proven wrong by manyscholars of the time (eg the Germans
Hopf, Thiersch and the Slovenian Kopitar) andnow this theory rests in peace along with its inventor.
Since 1870s when Hopf wrote the “Slavs inGreece” that reversed, with use of several facts, Fallmerayer’s ideas, no one elsehas ever attempted to support again similar theories.
I didn't know about Julius Caesar - He was Italian?!? Truly one?! - (Berlusconi will be overjoyed...)
Alexander the Great belongs to the GreekNation and makes up a recognizable historical figure for the Greek Nation too.
I guess you probably don’t like it but I amsorry to say who cares about what you or I like in person.
What could I say now? O tempora, o mores...
Please dogive us a clue about what do you mean through all these?
Can thePortuguese claim Caesar as a National symbol?
To mylimited knowledge only the Italians can do so. Right? Are they wrong?
Should theChinese claim him as a National symbol as well or should theLithuanians also claim Bismarck as a National symbol too?
Maybe by yourself, you confer the answer to yourself. For me - there is no problem if some Chinese, Arabian, Indians or the Lithuanians claim anybody as a National, personal or public symbol. They could claim some Macedonian also, without problem, without any permission, allowance from anybody or some kind of approval. So, it confirmed the conversation (or monologue) has no clue...
I am sorry to say this does not make any sense.
How can it be possible that Napoleon can be a hero for non-French people?
Can you advise the reasons why he could have been a National symbol for the British, the Germans or the Japanese for example?
I guessyou are 100% right.
Aperfect example of your sayings are the comic attempts ofTentov-Boshevski,
two FYROM“scientists”, to decipher the Rosetta stone and prove that thetext depicted in the middle is the so-called “Makedonski” ancientlanguage!!!
The textis actually a typical sample of the Demotic Egyptian script and hasbeen deciphered already for the past 200 years!
It'sdecipherment has helped in the interpretation of thousands of scriptsof this kind but these charlatans keep on their silly attempts thatmake them a cause of hilarity for the serious scientists world-widebut the poor people inside their country fall victims of thisshamfull propaganda and believe in the “mystic Makedonski ancientlanguage”!
Sad but Ihave to agree with you!
What about my neighbour's Porsche/house/wife? I really like it/them all!
May I claim his wife as mine just because "I like her"?
Am I justified to claim “by freedom of choice”that a neighbour’s father is my own father?
Can unjustified claims make up a “fundamental right”?
Can you advise where did you read this?
No, if I claim someone else’s father/property etc as mine, I become either a cause of fun for the people or a suspect for impersonation and/or fraud.
I think at any case you are wrong or give me a good reason why you can be right.
This conversation will had his clue, maybe in 1941, or before, when people debated about pure races, favoured and privileged nations, their motherland & fatherland (father's property?!) But now, sorry - without any purpose, without meaning, no use...
Iguess this is the best of your arguments you can ever present!
Goon! I enjoy seeing that people can realize what the best of your qualities arethrough this filthy posting as well as your silly arguments!
A“Macedonian alphabet”! An alphabet that never existed, no one ever has seen it,with not even the slightest indication that it may have been existed and yet toclaim it as real without even the slightest proof!
Youstill remain unintelligible to me.
Inever said that I support the idea of National purity. This however does notmean that we are irrelevant to the ancient Greeks. My arguments can be found asper above. Alexander the Great is part of the Greek history and as such is partof our history. If you are a Greek you are participant to this history; if notyou have your own history that is different and has nothing to do withAlexander and all the rest of the Greek one; eg Tsar Samuel is part of theBulgarian history and I – as a Greek – am not justified to claim him as a Greek king! That would beimproper the less!
Myargument about claiming other people’s property/history etc was quite clear andaccurate I think but you preferred to mix Caesar with Porsche instead of givingyour own arguments.
Orto reverse my argument: can I, as a Greek, claim Tsar Samuel the Bulgarian asmy national hero?
Both,right and wrong. It’s sad that your propagandists taught you that you are“Macedonians” despite the fact that you are Slavs and Macedonians were Greeks. Aboutone century ago there were no Slavs claiming themselves as Macedonians; theword was simply unknown to their vocabulary. The only who knew and believedthat they were Macedonians were the Greeks. It was the Bulgarians first andTito next that pushed the south Slavs, and people of mixed origin (Slavic-Greek)and some of the Greeks of the area as well, to become “ethnic Macedonians”. (TheBulgarians claimed them as Bulgarians from Macedonia, while Tito’sadministration claimed them as a different and new nation: the Macedonians).
Atany case they both played with the use of the name to support their aims thatwere to claim and seize the Greek area of Macedonia, something to which theyboth failed.
Nowyou have been brought up as “Macedonians” which is hard for you to abandon. Youclaim this as your name and about your right to bear the name you like, however itsuse by you and its acceptance from ourt side, legalizes the claims against the Greek territory and its history andculture.
Territory,history and culture of Macedonia are Greek and cannot be altered.
Byusing a name that belongs to others is not your right at all.
Itis called impersonation, is a crime and is prosecuted.
and in saying that greece does say that its borders did expand in the bulkan wars they show us this proof .
greeks like (dimitri from athens) should realy read up on history and find out where he comes from, most ill educated people like ( dimitri from athens) are greeks that come from turkey that read rubish on top of rubish .
greeks are short and fat with big parrot like nose's unlike the macedonian tall strong and goodlooking. ha ha macedonia will crush greece again long live macedonia
Fakehistory is only one and is the one you invented by stitching parts of Greek andBulgarian history just to make successful fiction.
Greecein 1912-13 liberated from the Turkish yoke nearly 90% of the Macedonian land,the rest 10% was taken by the Serbs and now is part of FYROM.
Byhaving some 10% of the historic Macedonia does not legalize you to make use of theGreek name of Macedonia.
Therest about history can be found in my postings just above.
Pleasedo read them and if you have any serious objections please post them and I amhere to receive and evaluate them in turn.
Incase that you do not have to say something of importance I shall be glad that Ishall have contributed to expanding your limited knowledge…
PS.I see you are full of hate against the refugees.
That’snatural.
Inability to defend your propaganda created positions against truth brings hate againstothers.
Natural,shameful and sad…
Your a nation who lives for your so called glory years thousands of years ago. Let go of the past and accept the fact that its only a matter of time before the Republic of Macedonia is made official. Instead of focusing on the Republic of Macedonia bordering your nation, why dont you put your efforts into the massive internal issues you have with debt, unemployment and lazy culture you all have to working hard! The EU should teach you a lesson and let you default, then you will all have to work hard to pull yourselves out of the whole your in. The Republic of Macedonia always has been and always will just that!
You areliterally out of topic.
Thesubject here is about the forge of history, the lies the FYROMpropagandists say to their own people and the claims they haveagainst their neighbouring countries and not about the financialsituation of Greece.
Apparentlyyou chose the wrong topic. (I guess this is due to the impeccableinstinct most politicians have). You can find the desired one andthen copy-paste your comment.
P.S. Themore this story continues the more the people world-wide realizeabout the lies of the Scopje propagandists.
The soonerthis name-issue ends the better shall be for this country and itsinhabitants.
They haveto compromise however...
"5) They participated in the ancient Olympic Games. Everybody knows thatAncient Olympic Games was the most important event in the Greek worldand the participant athletes had to be Greeks according to therules. No Persians, Egyptians or even the Illyrians or Thracians,people with closely related kinship to the Greeks had everparticipated. That means that Macedonians considered themselves asGreeks and also that the rest of the Greeks considered them as Greekstoo."
i know a quote which says "firs day in school is the most important, why? cause of the first impression!"
Now do you know what was the first reaction of the Hellens when aknowledged that Macedonia wanted to participate? They REFUSE and DENIED by all costs! But Olimpics were so interesting and done in high style that will eventually buy Macedonians to say they are Hellens or Friends of the Hellens so they can entry on the games. First time its important to mention that they were refused.
And one more thing, i think with my own head, what is righteous what is logical not what is written on the internet books cause i know and many others too that its fake and its written by the Greek propaganda. Ancient Macedonian language is not greek nor ever was my friend. Lie lies in the very smallest details! And do you know whats that small detail ? :) ALEXANDER HAD WITH HIM TRANSLATOR SO HE COULD COMMUNICATE WITH HIS SUPPORTIVE "ARMIES"- SLAVES FROM HELLAS- BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now whats more likely to be? They spoke the same language or they dont ? :) Now you and THOUSANDS of other can come and show to me and introduce to me an arthefacts or whatever, which i know is more likely that alexander wrote them on greek same as me i would sign on english so everyone could understand it ;) - he did ... but not that he was speaking GREEK AS NATIVE LANGUAGE OR WAS HELLEN :) thats a very big difference and no one can deny it. Any try to go against that small detail which is EVERYWHERE mentioned in the books and info for the battle against Persia is absolute RIDICULOUS
Greece will never know who and from where exactly came those slavs they sayThey too will never explain why Alexander have conquered them for the glory of his nation and Kingdom Macedonia and didnt act like other Rulers of Sparta Mycean and others to be living as one. But Macedonians lived on their own ;) They too will never ANSWER why Greece is firstly mentioned in 1813 on any reference map as word or in any other form youd like to say. They too will never answer why Greece or Hellas (more likely Hellas i just say greece to say i mean on the new modern nation not on the once known Hellens) were mentioned in the Bible. They too will never know how the people and name continued living on and on and not being able to do genocide of all remaining people :) They will never explain hows possible the fact that Macedonians are a people living before the Hellens :) And weathers is other option that in fact GREEKS ARE MACEDONIANS not MACEDONIAN GREEKS ;) How they were, and why, called Barbarians! Many why, and as usual in nowadays its modern stuffs are MONEY, and they TOO cannot say WEATHER THEY HAVE MONEY FOR ANOTHER 3 DAYS OR NOT ...
Poor Greece, we could have been BROTHERS! But you selfishness for GLORY for Something we carried on from one to another, father to son, to his son and to his son one to another for many thousand years had! Macedonians are DIFFERENT THAN YOU! GET OVER IT!
Just tofocus only to some points from your plethoric writing: Yr points in<< . >>
<<Alexanderthe Great spoke language that was unknown to the hellenes and notunderstandable so they must to use translators like they did in thewar against persia when on macedonian side were 30.000 slaves fromhellas, and in order to communicate alexander brought and translator,fact and proven. >>
The Greekmercenaries (30,000) serving with the Persian Army was not a uniquephenomenon; Greek mercenaries served many Armiew and people duringthe antiquity (eg the 10,000 Greek mercenaries served under thePersian Cyrus, Greek mercenaries in Egypt etc)
1. Alexandernever used any translator to communicate with the Greeks.
2. There isno source to state that Macedonians could not communicate with therest of the Greeks.
3. What isstated, is that a Greek general of Alexander had to pass his ordersto a Macedonian officer first and not directly to his Macedoniansoldiers. This does not mean necessarily that the Greek general andthe Macedonians were not speaking the same language. Different Greekdialects for sure but not other than Greek.
<<Greek name firstly ismentioned in 1813.>>
The name is mentioned at least sincethe sea-battle of Salamis (480 B.C.)
<< Demosthenes rulled outmacedonians as hellens and named them barbarians or non helenes! >>
Demosthenes was an uppish Athenian.Athenians of his kind called other people (even Greeks too) asBarbarians even for trivial things.
Besides, is well known thatDemosthenes had been called a barbarian by his opponents. So,according to this Demosthenes was a barbarian too! (not at all ofcourse. There is no conclusion about Macedonians were not Greeks just from the above)
<<In those timesits createn the greatest denocide ever in the human history! >>
Relax!
<< macedonianpeople have right to recall on their properties, something which willmake total chaos!!!! >>
If so, the hundreds ofthousands of Greeks who were forced to leave their places in Krusevo,Bitola, etc have the right to come back and claim for theirproperties left there. Right?
<<We SPEAKMACEDONIAN and we are SLAVS WHO MIXED WITH PEOPLE LIVING BEFORE THEMON THIS LANDS! 90% >>
If so, you are Greco-Slavs (orSlav-Greeks if you like). In such a case we wouldn't have problem toaccept you with any name you like and at any case since you alsorecognize your Greek identity.
<< Hows thenpossible IGENEA, swiss DNA and genes scientific analysis to saymodern macedonians are the only related to ancient macedonians >>
If so, then you are geneticallyGreeks
<< Since whentell me Kutlesh Sun is with blue background >>
So far to my knowledge thereisn't any Kutlesh Sun. If you mean the Vergina Star (or Sun if youlike), you have to know that inside your country you may call anyplace of the world the way you like but speaking internationallyyou have to use the official name the sovereigncountry has given to its place. Look at me: I said Bitola just beforeand not Monastiri, which is the Greek name of this city, just becauseI am addressing to you. Regarding the Vergina star, asthe ancient Macedonians were Greeks the symbol is Greek too.
<< Does anyoneknows that Macedonians had totaly different customs and the same areused today? >>
Interesting.Name some please.
<<Alexander was never Greek >>
ok
<<Now do you know what was thefirst reaction of the Hellens when aknowledged that Macedonia wantedto participate(about Olympics)? They REFUSE and DENIED by all costs >>
Alexander’s1st attempt to enter the Olympics at around 500 BC wassuccessful despite the initial denial of some of his other Greekcompetitors as they thought that he was likely to win. It is notstated that anyone else ever protested. The Olympics Committee askedhim if he was Greek. Alexander’s excuse about the Argead originwas simply childish but this was at hand and used without any secondthought. The rest of the Greeks accepted him not because of hisArgead origin but because they knew that Macedonians were Greeks.
Thecommittee decided that he could participate as he was a Greek and nobody protested. The full story can be found in Herodote's text.I can check and find relative site if you wish.
<<ALEXANDERHAD WITH HIM TRANSLATOR SO HE COULD COMMUNICATE WITH HIS SUPPORTIVE"ARMIES"- SLAVES FROM HELLAS- BINGO >>
Not at all!
<< Poor Greece, wecould have been BROTHERS! >>
As soon as all these issuesregarding claims on Greek History and Greek territories are resolvedwe can be brothers dear Dux. All the best!
Only harderned propagandists or severely brainwashed Individuals can see Slavic things in ancient Greeks.
Yes, FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs are Macedonians (regional) but they are Not Macedonian in the Greek sense of that word!
But FYRoM does does not have fraternal, cultural, linguistic or historic rights to that name, in the way that the Greeks espouse to have. So FYRoM's right to that name is on an equilibrium with that John Smith analogy which goes like this:
Two John Smiths could live in peace, side by side next door to each other...but if one John Smith attempts to adopt-usurp the Identity of the other one, that would be called Identity theft but in FYRoM's case, cultural thievery!
So FYRoM's rights evidently, only really extend to that one-off, that one-singular, universal right of self-determination.
It's quite absurd really, to make a song and dance about FYRoM's so called Macedonian Identity on the basis of just one right to self-determination...that would equate or be on par with wanting to self-determine as Donald Duck on the basis you could, simply because you have the right to do so!
It should be pointed out to FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs that they do not have real or natural rights to that name...No fraternal rights, No cultural rights, No linguistic rights and No historic rights.
The only rights they have is based on that one-off, that one-singular universal right of self-determination.
FYRoM's ex-Yugoslavs celebrate Alexander the Great in Skopje under what basis...for they have No historic rights to his legacy, so why do they do it then. Ofcourse, they do it for the gratification factor they glean from watching Greeks squirm at their antics. Slavists bred them for purpose, to denigrate-destroy Hellenism and to ridicule humiliate modern Greeks.
Absurd in the extreme, right!
I have never seen a blond blue-eyed person from FYRoM. Most appear Turkic in looks and features. Some of them look like Yasar Arafat.
Great posts though, I read all of them.